James Maskell: I have been dreaming of having Bobby Kennedy speak on the Functional Forum and share his passion. I’m such a fan of all the work. I think earlier in the year we heard from Charles Eisenstein, and he really talked about the fact that whether you’re a provider of functional medicine, or you’re cleaning seals from an oil spill, or you’re at the North Dakota pipeline community, which obviously, there’s an amazing time to have an event with Bobby here today given what’s happened. We’re all the same team. It’s all the same team doing the same thing, and so is just amazing to bring these communities together. I’d love to bring the environmental activist community into our community, and who better to do that than Bobby Kennedy. Please, a warm round of applause. We’re going to be talking about the world Mercury Project, and thank you. Appreciate it.
Robert Kennedy Jr.: Thank you, James. Thank you, everybody. I’m very happy to be here today. It’s a good day with what happened to the core decision on the standing rock. I’m very happy to be here with my friends at ABC Carpet, and let James with all the wonderful work that you do in organizations around the world. Which is like organizing a resistance. There are people who are healers, and don’t want to take directives from pharma, or from a moneymaking medical establishment. Don’t want to heal kids, and heal people, and we’re all very lucky to have you organizing them. I’m going to talk about mainly about mercury and vaccines, and how I got into this.
Thimerosal is a mercury-based preservative that is in the flu vaccine in this country. About 1/3 of the flu vaccines issued to 48 million people will receive those vaccines, including many, many, many pregnant women. They’re fully loaded. People will tell you that it’s trace amounts. It’s not. Trace amounts has a legal definition which is one microgram. Or less. The amount of mercury in a flu vaccine in those 48 million vaccines is 25 micrograms. It’s 25 times trace amounts, and for a little baby, as the Geiers have shown, a invitro fetus could be getting up to a million times the exposures that EPA considers safe for an adult, or whatever.
I got dragged into this issue, into this fistfight kicking and screaming. I don’t have anybody in my family who has autism, or has developmental disorders. I don’t really have any friends who had that tragedy in their lives, but I was going around the country during the late 90s, I had about 30 lawsuits on behalf of Riverkeeper, Waterkeeper, and keepers all over the country against coal burning power plants. One of the issues that we were focusing on was mercury emissions. At that time, according to FDA, every freshwater fish in America had dangerous levels of mercury in its flesh. One out of every six American women had levels that were high enough in their blood to cause at least, according to CDC, the loss of one IQ point in their child.
One out of every six, we were seeing these huge numbers of children with neurodevelopmental disorders, according to the CDC’s own numbers, one out of every six American children today has a neurodevelopmental disorder. That’s unnormal. I was giving the speeches about mercury emissions from power plants, which were the principal source of mercury in the fish all over the country, I was giving over 100 speeches a year. Large audiences, and after almost all of those speeches, women would come up to me and say, in a very respectful, but mildly scolding way, “If you really are concerned about the perils of mercury, you need to look at vaccines, because the largest vector for mercury exposure to children is coming from thimerosal.”
This was not an area I was anxious to explore, because it just wasn’t my wheelhouse. I didn’t know anything about vaccines, I was not a public health expert. It’s a huge area to try to understand, and I had my hands full with other stuff. I met a woman whose name was Sarah Bridges, and she had a son named Porter. She was a friend of my sister-in-law’s, and she had spent eight years in the vaccine court, which finally agreed that he had gotten autism from a mercury-based vaccine, and paid her a lot of money, many, many millions of dollars after a long, long struggle. She showed me some of the science. She was a psychologist. To me, the women that I was meeting on this issue were, almost all of them were professionals that were pharmacists, they were doctors, they were nurses, they were attorneys. They were very pulled together, they were very rational, there was nothing hysterical about them. They were extremely well-informed.
After a while, it began to have an effect on me, and I sat down and started reading the science. I’m very comfortable reading science. By then, I had brought many, many hundreds of lawsuits, environmental lawsuits. Almost every one of those lawsuits involve some kind of scientific controversy. If I wasn’t comfortable reading science, I originally, at the beginning of my life, I wanted to be a scientist, not a lawyer. I always been interested in science, very comfortable reading it. If I hadn’t been comfortable, I could not have won those lawsuits. I started reading the science, which I was later struck by how few people are actually doing that. A lot of people will tell you what the science says, but none of them will be able to name you a study.
What I found was, at the media orthodoxy, the consensus orthodoxy, that thimerosal does not cause autism, and that there was no studies out there, which is wrong. I was able to find, ultimately, and I published all these in a book, over 500 studies that said that thimerosal was extraordinarily neurotoxic, that had caused all kinds of really grave neurological injuries in pheasants, in chickens, and guinea pigs, in horses and goats, and rats, in baby rats, in invitro rats, in all kinds of animals. Also, cadaver studies, and biological studies, and clinical studies.
The studies of neurons and pediatricians, and on and on. They all said the same thing, mercury is thousand times more neurotoxic than lead. It’s the most neurotoxic element that we know of in the universe that is not radioactive. The idea that we could inject that into a human being of any age is a counter intuitive. There has to be some kind of a cognitive dissidents. I started calling the people who were making those claims, and I had no beef against them. I called Paul Offit, who is one of the gurus of thimerosal. He said, famously, that a child can take 10,000 vaccines in a single setting with no effect. I understand now that he’s on retainer from Merck, and that he has made a very, very lucrative living showing for that company, and for the industry.
I called him, and I had no antipathy towards him. I had a conversation with him where he started by telling me that he has the Merck chair at the Children’s Hospital in Philadelphia, and he told me that he got into public service because he was inspired by my father. He was buttering me up, and it worked, and I listened to him. I also got Kathleen Stratton, who is at the head of the IOM, the Institute of Medicine. I asked them about the same story, how is it possible that we are telling pregnant women not to eat fish, because they have mercury in them? You’re injecting mercury into little babies and into pregnant women? They both said the same thing to me, which you can go to CDC’s website today and see this statement on the website, the answer to that very difficult question. What they said is that methylmercury is not toxic because… They couldn’t say it’s not toxic because they wouldn’t even be arguing with me, they’d be arguing with the periodic table. Because it’s mercury.
What they said is, it disappears from the blood very quickly, and because of that, it doesn’t stay in the body long enough to do any damage. This is an old industry canard, has been around since the 1930s, but there was no science that supported that position until 2005. By the time I talked to Stratton, and Offit, I had already read that science. There was a study by a man named Pitch Euro, and who works for the vaccine industry. He had done a study where he measured what happened to methylmercury in the bloodstream after people received injections from thimerosal, and what he found was that it disappeared within a week. Whereas, if they ate a tuna fish sandwich, the methylmercury that was in that fish remained in their body for a 54 days, that was the half-life.
In fact, it did disappear very quickly. That study was published, I believe, in JAMA pediatrics, which publishes a lot of those kind of studies. JAMA pediatrics is the Journal for the American Association of pediatrics, and I understand that it receives about 70% of its funding from pharmaceutical companies. That’s where you see this stuff published, a lot of junk that cannot be published elsewhere. People like Boyd Haley, who is the chairman of the chemistry department, and is a toxicologist at the University of Kentucky, had written a letter to the Journal and said, “Where did it go?” Because it wasn’t in the feces, it wasn’t in the urine, it wasn’t in the hair, and it wasn’t in the sweat. His question is, where did it go? They didn’t print the letter.
Then about two years later, another study by a man named Thomas Burbacher was up in the University of Washington, and a big team, it was a very prestigious study, did a study on macaque monkeys in which they injected monkeys, these macaques, with thimerosal, and they also fed them, another group, tuna fish sandwiches. What he found was, what he then did post-mortems on these animals, and what he found was that the mercury was not disappeared from the blood, in the macaques like it did in the human beings in a week. Very, very quickly. But it was not being excreted from the body, and the reason it was disappearing is because it crossed the blood brain barrier much more easily than methylmercury, and then it lodged in the brain. It stayed there.
He later did studies that showed that it was still there 27 years later. It immediately metabolized into organic mercury, which is the most toxic form of mercury, and it caused permanent inflammation. It was twice as persistent in the brain as the methylmercury in fish. At the same time, an Italian team of scientists, led by a scientist called Guzy, did a study on the relative toxicity to cell cultures of methylmercury, and ethylmercury, and they found that ethylmercury killed cell cultures at 1/50 of the concentrations that methylmercury. It’s 50 times as toxic, and it spends twice as much time in the brain.
I knew about these studies by the time I talked to Paul Offit. I said, “Why can we… Why are we telling women not to eat fish? Oh, we’re going to let them eat… Be injected directly with this, with mercury.” He said, “Well, it leaves the body very, very quickly. It’s excreted very quickly.” He talked about the Pichiaro study. I said to him, “Well, but you’re familiar with the Burbacher study?” There was dead silence. Then he said, “Well, you’re right, Robert.” He said, “It’s really an entire mosaic of studies that we’re looking at that show us that it’s safe.” Then he had to go.
I had the same conversation with Kathleen Stratton, although she was more frank. She said to me, “Yes, if we inject it into mice, it makes them, uh, sick. If we inject them into rats, it makes it do them weird things. Obviously, it’s not good for human beings. That’s why we’re taking it out of all vaccines.” That was her position. About a week after I talked to Paul Offit, I heard him on NPR, I think with Amy Goodman, and Amy Goodman asked him the same question I’d asked him. He gave the same answer inside of the Pichiaro study. He was accustomed to using that, employing that canard to gold journalists who he was confident were allergic to reading science, and would just accept his word at what the science said.
At that point, I knew that he was lying, that he knew he was lying, and he knew that I knew he was lying. That made me angry. Then Lynn Redwood and Sarah Bridges gave me a copy of the transcripts of the Simpsonwood meeting. The Simpsonwood meeting was a meeting that was held, called by CDC. There were leaders of FDA, the World Health Organization, NIH, CDC of course, and the 75 vaccine makers who were summoned to a retreat center called the Simpsonwood Retreat Center in Norcross, Georgia in 2002.
Robert Kennedy Jr.: It’s 2000. The reason they were summoned there is because beginning in 1989, the vaccine schedule changed, and a lot of mercury was added. Autism levels began exploding, along with a lot of other neurodevelopmental disorders like ADD, ADHD, speech delay, language delay, tics, narcolepsy, SIDS, Tourette’s syndrome, and seizure disorder, and other neurodevelopmental disorders that people really didn’t know about before that. A lot of people had worries, and people wrote about their worries to CDC, so CDC decided to do an internal study of the largest vaccine safety database that we know of in the world, which is called the VSD. It contained hundreds of thousands of records, medical records, and vaccination records of children who, their vaccination records and their health records.
They had looked at the study, they had looked at kids who received 25 micrograms and less, they had compared their health outcomes to kids who received 25 micrograms and more of thimerosal. What they found in their initial run was they did two initial runs, and one showed there was a 7.6 risk relation. 760% increase in autism diagnosis for the kids who received more mercury. Yeah, there was over 11 risk ratio. The risk ratio for a cigarette, two packs a day for 20 years, and cancer, is 10. They knew, at that point, what was causing the autism epidemic. It was clear as day, it was undeniable.
They found similar levels for ADD, ADHD, tics, and sleep disorder. Those are the parameters that they looked at. They knew what was happening. He called this meeting in this retreat center off-campus at CDC, because they didn’t want it to be susceptible to requests under the Freedom of Information Act. They believed if they did it off-campus, it would not come under the Freedom of Information Act, which is not true. That’s what they believed, and they held it secretly, and they stayed in there for two days. It’s fascinating, and it’s horrifying, and it’s riveting when you read it, because you have all these people who are decent human beings, who devoted their lives to children’s health and public health, and they suddenly realized they’ve done something absolutely horrible. They’ve poisoned an entire generation of kids.
There’s some people in that room who start saying, and before and after the meeting, Neil Halsey, a towering figure in the community, Ruth Edsall was, again, one of the great nurses in our country’s history who talk about … And Bernadine Healy, all these people chimed in at that meeting, and emails afterward saying, “We’ve got to come clean. We’ve got to tell the American people what we’ve done. We have to beg their forgiveness.” These are quotes. “And we have to just move forward with this program.” Then you see, as you read this, you see these other voices coming in, the sensible people who say, “If we do this, there’s a predatory bar out there, attorneys who will sue. They’ll sue the vaccine makers, and they’ll bankrupt them, and there’ll be no more vaccines.”
All these kind of things. There’s a professor called Robert Johnson, I forget where he was from, do you remember?
Male: I don’t.
Robert Kennedy Jr.: Anyway, he comes in in the middle of the meeting and says, he was out on the hallway, and he said, “I just talked to my son, and my daughter-in-law just had our first grandchild.” He said, “I am not going to give him a thimerosal vaccine.” They all knew what was happening, and then they decided, let’s embargo this. Let’s not release it. Then over the next two years, they assigned a team to rewrite the study, and rewrite it, and rewrite it, and to stratify it. To get rid of populations, and they get rid of almost half the people in the original study. They send emails to each other saying, “It won’t go away.”
In other words, the autism signal won’t go away, no matter how we manipulate the data. Finally, they had to get rid of half the people, and it went away. Then that’s when they released it. We asked them, “Can we see the broad data?” Which is standard protocol. They said, “We lost it all.” I have always been pro-vaccine, I had all six of my children vaccinated. I think that we should have a strong vaccine program, and that we ought to have broad coverage. I think to achieve that goal, we need robust science, transparent science, we need independent regulator that has integrity, and that is focused on public health. We need safe vaccines. We don’t have any of those things right now. The CDC is a very troubled agency, and it’s not just me saying that.
There’s been four separate, intensive federal investigations by the United States Congress, a three year investigation. 2001, 2002, 2003 of the United States Senate Tom Coburn’s committee by the Inspector General of HHS in 2008 by the office of research integrity in 2014. All of them have painted the CDC as a cesspool of corruption, of an agency that has become an absolute subsidiary of the pharmaceutical industry, and that has become a sock puppet. A spokesperson, a schill the industry. CDC is not an independent agency, it is a vaccine company. CDC owns over 20 vaccine patents. It sells about $4.6 billion of vaccines every year. Its primary metric for success in all of the departments of the agency, our vaccine sales.
The groups, for example, the immunization safety office, where’s the scientists who are supposed to be looking at efficacy and safety in vaccines, they are no longer a public service agency. They are subsumed in that metric. We have to sell as many of these things as possible, and so they do things to their science to make sure that nothing interferes with… No information interferes with sales. There’s two divisions, two divisions of the vaccine branch where we worry about the corruption. The first one is called the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. That is the committee that makes the decision about what new vaccines to add to the schedule. When I was a boy, I got three vaccines. My children got 69 vaccines. It changed in 1989. Why did it change in 1989? Because in 1986, Congress, drowning in pharmaceutical money, the pharma puts more money into lobbying than any other industry.
Pharmaceutical companies have more lobbyists on Capitol Hill than there are congresspeople. You think oil and gas has big influence in the capital, well, that’s the next biggest. The pharmaceutical industry puts twice into lobbying, double the amount that it does at the oil and gas, and four times what defense and aerospace put in. They control Congress. In 1986, Congress passed the Vaccine Act, and there were reasons, good reasons for them to pass it. They wanted to make sure that, at that time, the vaccine companies were being sued, and were threatening to stop making vaccines. They said, “Okay, we’re going to insulate them from lawsuits.” They made it illegal to sue a vaccine company in this country. No matter how reckless behavior the behavior, no matter how negligent, no matter how toxic the product, no matter how grievous the injury to the child, you cannot sue them. You know how badly the pharmaceutical industry behaves when they are being sued?
When there’s a whole bar of lawyers who spend their whole life looking for ways to sue the pharmaceutical industry, and tell these stories to juries? How many billions every year are one from the industry? What do you think would happen if all of a sudden all the lawyers disappeared, all of the class action suits, all the multidistrict litigation, all the depositions, all the document searches, the discovery just gone. Nobody can sue you. You can make anything you want, and then they made it so that it was much easier to get a vaccine on the schedule than it was to get a pharmaceutical into the market. There’s no double-blind placebo studies, they’re all fast tracked into the marketplace. The decision is made by this group, the advisory committee, on immunization practices.
You would hope that the people who would serve on that committee would be nerdy scientists who are narrowly focused on public health outcomes, but that’s not who they are. The people who serve on that committee, almost all of them have strong financial ties to the pharmaceutical industry. I’ll give you an example of how this committee works. In 1999, Paul Offit sat on that committee. When you go to this committee, when you go to their meetings, the Advisory Committee Immunization Practices in one room, and then there’s a press deck in the next room. You have a whole bunch of seats there with guys who look like me, they’re in suits, and they’re Wall Street analysts, pharmaceutical analysts. They’re waiting to hear the decision. As soon as they come out and they announce which new vaccines they put on the schedule, those guys run out in the hallway, and get on their cell phones, and you can watch the stocks spike.
It’s become an economic enterprise, and Paul Offit sat on the committee in 1999 that added the rotavirus vaccine to the schedule. He owned a patent to rotavirus vaccine. He was then able to sell his vaccine to Merck for $186 million. He pocketed something around $29 million. He’s never allowed anybody to ask him exactly how much, but according to the formula that they use, he would have gotten at least $29 million. That caused a little bit of a scandal in Washington, and the Inspector General of HHS was sent to investigate it. They did a complete investigation on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, and what they found, what they found was, what they had concluded was what he did was not a legal under CDC rules.
That 64% of the people who sat on that committee had conflicts that were similar to Paul Offit. That 97% might have conflicts because the rest of them never made out their conflict of interest forms. Nobody ever made them do it, even though it’s the law. It’s very difficult, when those kind of shenanigans are going on, for the American people to have faith that all of these new vaccines that were added, beginning in 1989, are put there for solely because this committee is concerned with public health.
If you look at what happened in 1989, that’s when all of these illnesses started. They started, again, not only the neurological disorders, ADD, ADHD, speech and late language, sleep disorder, misery disorder, seizure disorder, SIDS, narcolepsy, Tourette’s syndrome, all those. Also, food allergies, and asthma. They all started in 89. That is the year that EPA scientists call it the gateway year. That’s the year that everything changed.
The generation that grew up after that is the sickest generation in the history of our country. The people who are sickest are the boys, because mercury poisons boys, and it doesn’t poison girls so much. Why is that? Because testosterone amplifies the neurotoxic impacts of the mercury molecule. Estrogen tends to wrap the molecule and protect the female brain. The girls, the science shows that the girls, one in five people who get autism are girls, one in four, one in five, and those girls tend to be high testosterone girls. The populations that tend to get the worst impacts, there’s a number of covariables.
One is vitamin D deficiencies, which is endemic in African-American populations. Because they don’t manufacture it in their skin from sunlight like white populations do. High testosterone. Again, African-American populations. Low glutathione. Glutathione is an enzyme that is produced by the brain, or by the body, which has a function of excreting heavy metals from the body. Joe James, a scientist at FDA did a series of studies that showed that children with autism generally had very low glutathione production. They just couldn’t excrete the mercury. There is many other studies, I published on this week in EcoWatch, three Egyptian studies that show that children who have autism have very little mercury in their hair.
In fact, these studies were originally used by the CDC to say there is no relationship, because they looked at kids with autism, and as control groups, and they said the kids with the control groups have some mercury in the hair, but the kids with autism have no mercury in their hair when they’re babies, when they’re little. The reason for that is they can’t excrete it. It’s all in their brains. Then later on, if you give them DMSA, they just dump mercury. The DMSA mobilizes mercury in the body, and it’s a [inaudible 00:33:54] agent. Those kids that you can’t find mercury in their urine, their feces, their hair, their nails, suddenly you give them the DMSA, and they’re just dumping it out of the bodies, because it all stays in there, and it makes them sick. We had all this epidemic, and you say, again, it affects boys.
In fact, the Geier’s recently did the study, the Geier’s, the only people who have succeeded in getting into the vaccine safety database, they’re very controversial because the medical community and CDC tries to destroy them reputationally like they do anybody who speaks out on this issue. They recently did a study in which they showed that even people who don’t have any visible effect from the mercury are affected by it, and that boys, even the boys who don’t appear to be affected, every 25 micrograms of mercury that they get, they permanently lose three IQ points. You can lose a lot of IQ without anybody ever noticing.
A doctor told me that one time, and a doctor at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital says people lose IQ 10, 20 points, and nobody notices it. You won’t function as well, but you won’t really notice it. We know this that, my group is very proud that when we banned leaded gasoline in this country, that IQ points climbed almost 2% nationally. There is evidence that boys in this country, and elsewhere in the world, are declining intellectually when compared to girls. Girls are doing better in math and sciences for the first time in history than boys, that IQ tests are different, are skewed.
None of this is concluded, and none of it is particularly good science, but it’s observational, and it’s anecdotal, and it’s stuff that should be investigated. Nobody’s going to investigate it. The worst thing to consider is that although we took mercury out of the vaccines out of the three children’s vaccines in this country we’re the biggest loads of them, we’re giving them to every child in the developing world. Every child in Africa, Asia, Latin America, and we are dumbing down the entire populations of those continents, and it’s the leaders who are getting hurt the worst. The high testosterone kids, those are the ones that are getting damaged by this.
I’ll say one other thing, because I know we want to take questions. If the other division in CDC that people worry about is called the immunization safety office, and that’s the collection of scientists who are in charge with assuring safety and efficacy of vaccines. We’ve known, from the beginning, that there’s something crooked going on there, because we saw what happened to that original Verstraeten study, how they changed their own protocols, and lost the data. They basically have three American studies, the Verstraeten, plus 3 other ones that were written by Doctor William Thompson. They have three foreign studies, two of which are Scandinavian. The author on those studies, the data manager was a guy called Paul Thoreson, who, it now turns out that he stole the money, the million dollars that CDC paid him to collect data, and he is now on the run in Denmark under a 22 account indictment, right?
Robert Kennedy Jr.: 22 account indictment of wire theft and fraud. His studies are still among the six studies that are on CDC’s website. Even though he clearly manufactured them, and we know that they’re crooked anyhow, because the only kind of studies they do are epidemiology studies. The IOM Institute of Medicine said, “You got to do biological studies, and clinical studies, and toxicological studies to figure this out.” They told them that in a memo, but they never did any of those studies. The only studies they do are epidemiological studies. Because those are the easiest kind to fix.
In my racket, we have a saying that says, “Statistics don’t lie, but statisticians do.” It’s very easy to fix this epidemiological study. You could design epidemiological study, epidemiological studies are population studies. You compare a population that has been exposed to the toxin that you’re looking at, and then to an unexposed population that is otherwise identically situated. Then you look at the outcomes. Then you can make a supposition that the toxin may have or may not have contributed to adverse health outcome. It’s easy to fix an epidemiological study. You could design an epidemiological study to prove, for example, that sex does not make you pregnant. How would you do that? Well, you would get rid of all the pregnant people before you studied the population. Then you’d have a lot of people having sex, and nobody was getting pregnant.
That’s what they did, essentially, with these autism studies. They would get rid of, for example, one of the tricks they used is they get rid of all the kids over five years old. Autism isn’t diagnosed until you’re five. You can load them up with mercury as much as possible, you’ll never see any of them autism. You can get rid of the boys, and just have girls in the study, or weight it. Even if you weight it slightly, it can change the signal. It can dampen the signal so that it becomes insignificant. You can stratify the data and make it smaller and smaller groups. That will also destroy the signal.
They did a lot of other sneaky stuff. What I do for a living is I look at tobacco as a science, what we call tobacco as a science, and the people who write it which we call biostitutes. They used tricks that were amateur tricks, and I can tell you some of the funny stuff that they did, but let me just say this final thing. In August, two years ago, the chief scientist for that division, for the immunization safety office attempted suicide. Then he hired the best whistleblower attorney in the country, he handed 100,000 pages of documents over to the Congressional oversight committee, and he said, “I want to come clean. I want to testify, I want to be subpoenaed and testify before Congress.” He can’t afford to lose his job for a variety of personal reasons.
As long as he’s subpoenaed, he wants to talk under a oath, and talk honestly, and tell what he did. Part of documentation that he handed over had to do with a study called the Stefano 2004 that was published in JAMA pediatrics. That study is probably the most important to the foundation stone for the orthodoxy that vaccines cannot cause autism. What they found out when they were doing that study, they were studying kids in Georgia, and what they found was that kids who received the MMR vaccine on time, black boys, had 250% greater chances of getting an autism diagnosis than the kids, identically situated black boys who waited a little.
Then there was another cohort, which is regressive autism that had the same thing. Thompson and three other scientists, there were five scientists on the study, Frank DeStefano being the head of the study, who is the head of the Immunization Safety Office, summoned his four colleagues into a conference room and told them to bring the data on the black boys. When they got out of the conference room, there was a giant garbage can that had been brought in there, and they were told to dump all the data into the garbage can. They did that, and then they published the study saying they found no effect, and that the vaccines had nothing, there was no link between vaccines and autism.
If they had come clean at that time, there would be around 200,000 black boys in this country who would not have autism today. That’s what we’re dealing with. These same people are still at the department, and they’re still running the things. Bill Thompson gave this through his attorney to the congressional oversight committee, I went in and met with Jason Chaffetz who’s the head of that committee, he’s a very right wing Republican from Utah, very, very smart. His stepmother is actually Kitty Dukakis, very weirdly.
Utah, along with New Jersey, has the highest autism rate in the country. Why is that? Because the Mormons are compliant. They do what the government tells them to do, and what the authorities tell them to do. They have the highest vaccination rates, and they have the highest autism rates in New Jersey and Utah. Jason Chaffetz takes more money from pharma than anybody on Capitol Hill. He has blocked Bill Thompson from testifying before his committee, and that’s where we are today. I’m subpoenaing Bill Thompson in a case that I have, and if we want to talk more about that we can…
James Maskell: …Let’s do a round of applause from over here. If you’ve been watching the Functional Forum for a long time, you know that this is actually a topic that we haven’t really covered on the Functional Forum. We will not ignore the elephant in the waiting room at this point any longer, so I really appreciate you showing that. Let’s talk a little bit about William Thompson, I just have a question about that. I know, maybe for family reasons, and sanity reasons, otherwise you were a big Clinton fan for the election, was there just a little tinge in your mind that a Trump presidency would be better for this very minuscule topic?
Robert Kennedy Jr.: I want to say this, my wife is only now stopping crying every day. I believe that Donald Trump is sincere about this issue. I think he has a couple of issues. I think that he is opportunistic as many politicians are in the topics that he choose to talk about, but I think he does have a couple of things that he believes in, and I think, I don’t have any particular reason to know this, my impression of him is that this is something that is personal for him.
James Maskell: Awesome. We here to talk about the World Mercury Projects, which I think is such an important endeavor, and I guess I just want to ask you, the science on mercury, if we take vaccines to the side, is super strong by itself. The kids, you got the organizations, medical organizations saying there’s transgenerational epigenetic’s, it’s coming out. Was it strategic, or a heart move for you to include vaccines in the World Mercury Project, and go for this? Because in terms of the amount of mercury going into the body, it’s less, but for reasons that you shared. Was it a heart decision to include that as part of World Mercury Project, or was it a head decision?
Robert Kennedy Jr.: I think we couldn’t have done the World Mercury Project without this. It’s the biggest exposure vector around the world. There are many, many other exposure vectors, and they’re increasing. One of the things that people don’t talk about a lot are dental amalgams, and there’s a lot of science. When I was doing my book, we came across just an extraordinary amount of science on dental amalgams, and there is a lot of autism studies that show that women who have five or more dental amalgams are five or six times as likely to have an autistic kid as women who have five or less.
I went, because I at one point had very high levels of mercury, and got them chelated, but I couldn’t get them chelated because I had three or four dental amalgams. I had those taken out. I feel pretty good that I got them taken out, because if you look at this movie, Trace Amounts, there’s a part of it where they have a meter that shows offgassing of mercury. They take a tooth with a amalgam in it, and they dip it in hot coffee, and take it out, and put the meter on it, and the meter goes immediately into the red. Every time you drink a cup of coffee, your amalgams are offgassing, and you’re inhaling it, and it’s going into your brain.
Dentists are not legally allowed to talk to you about this. In fact, a dentist will lose his license if he tells you this. That’s a really weird law, and it seems like I must be lying in that the Constitution, the Bill of Rights would prohibit that. It’s been upheld, that law has been upheld in various states, and as far as I know, it’s in every state. The reason the justification for the law is that they don’t want predatory dentists soliciting new patients and saying, “You got to have all your mercury amalgams removed.” Charging them 500, $800 to replace those with porcelain amalgams. Anyway.
James Maskell: I have one more question, and there’s some real talent in the audience that would like to-
Robert Kennedy Jr.: Let me say one other thing which surprised me that I found out today, because one of the activists sent me this FDA website that shows that dyes, the organic dyes that are made of carrots and beets, that those can have extremely high levels of mercury, lead, and arsenic in them. I think it comes from seeds, from agricultural fields. This is the stuff that our kids are eating on their cereal, because all those cereals now have those dyes on them. That’s just another source of mercury.
James Maskell: That’s very, very scary. I saw the stuff coming out the other week on that. You said before that you can’t go on TV, they won’t let you on TV. You said that. You said here, Offit is running the show. There is corruption going all the way through. What’s the game plan from here?
Robert Kennedy Jr.: There is total censorship in the media of this issue. I just was on for television shows today talking about the Dakota Access pipeline. The one exception is Bill Maher, and he, one because he is a very courageous individual, but also HBO doesn’t take pharmaceutical advertising. That’s just their business. That’s their business model. They charge you, instead, they send you a bill. The rest of them, the pharmaceutical companies are now the largest advertisers on television as they spend 3 billion to 5.4 billion a year. There is 80 ads for pharmaceuticals every hour on TV.
If you look at news, evening news, you’ll see that it’s just a vehicle for selling pharmaceutical ads. These are companies. I had this very weird relationship with Roger Ailes who I spent three months with in a tent in Africa when I was 19 years old, and developed a lifelong friendship with. It’s like being friends with Darth Vader. He was always very kind to me, and I talked to him about this issue one time, or many times, but he said to me, he said, “During non-election years, pharmaceutical companies can be 70% of my news division advertising. And there’s no way that I would allow you on TV, and I would fire any host that allowed you to come on TV, unless as an advertiser.” He said, “If I didn’t do that, Rupert would be on the phone from London in 10 minutes.”
He came out and told me that, and I’m friends with Les Moonves, and with CEOs of many of the other networks, and none of them will let me on. No newspaper will publish my editorials. As a matter of practice, I had my assistant send my editorials, before I publish them in my own magazine, which is EcoWatch, I would send them out to the Raleigh news and Observer, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the USA today, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Sacramento Bay, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Chicago Sun-Times, the Houston Chronicle. Every one of them, every one of my editorials, and not one of them ever printed one of them. They will print anything I write on Dakota Access pipeline, on global warming, on energy. They welcome my stuff, but nobody will allow this.
I’ve met repeatedly with the New York Times editorial board, I’ve met with the science times, I’ve met with, repeatedly, with the public editor of the times who is supposed to address these issues, and they just have a blanket, “We’re not allowing this to be talked about on, on … In the media.” It’s not only the mainstream media, but it’s Huff Post will not allow this, The Daily Beast, Salon, Slate, Mother Jones, none of them will allow discussion of this issue, criticism of CDC corruption, discussion of this issue. You go to EcoWatch and read my article on CDC corruption, and the amount of corruption there in every department across it is the worst agency on Capitol Hill, it is the worst agency probably outside of Louisiana, or Texas on terms of corruption. Nobody will allow you to criticize them.
It’s really extraordinary, and it’s an orthodoxy. These are not people who are all conspiracists. There is a conspiracy that’s relatively small, and involves a small number of people, but every other power center in our society has been neutralized. The Congress has been neutralized with money, the CDC is a captive agency, the lawyers, the courts have been eliminated because of the vaccine act. The press has also been eliminated. The only thing now standing between this rapacious industry, and little children are the mothers who are saying, “I’m not going to allow my kid to get this vaccine.” Now they’re trying to eliminate them.
James Maskell: Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that. This is a conversation, and we only have a few minutes left. There’s a couple people sitting here at that I feel would be good to bring into it. It may seem like there’s not a lot of hope here, we poisoned a whole generation, and I think that’s a fact. I just want to bring in Beth over here, because Beth I’ve known for a number of years. Beth is part of a project, Documenting Hope. We found a number of years ago. I can out myself right now, the first two clients that I ever met when I got into this nine years ago had recovered their kids from vaccine injuries. Beth, is there hope for these children?
Beth: I think everybody in this room has an awareness that there’s lots you can do for all kinds of chronic health issues, no matter what it is. Whether it’s poisoning from mercury, whether it’s poisoning from aluminum, arsenic, all kinds of other environmentally derived illnesses. There are many practitioners in this room that do this on a daily basis. The problem is is not the standard of care. These stories of kids who recover from autism, or who have recovered and reversed their rheumatoid arthritis, or whatever the chronic illness is, they stand in the realm of anecdote. We have a scientific gap here that needs to be filled.
I have led a project called the Documenting Hope project, which is looking to demonstrate, conclusively, that you can reverse environmentally derived chronic illnesses. Again, ranging from allergies, to asthma, to autism by addressing the root causes, taking a functional approach, and holistic and integrative approach to healing, because the body has the inherent capacity to heal. Anybody who looks at the human body, and treats people in an integrative and holistic way knows that. It’s just that the vast majority of people do not know that yet. The Documenting Hope project is doing a scientific study to demonstrate that children with chronic illnesses can get better. We’re documenting it scientifically, and on film so that we can show the world there is hope, there is hope for recovery, and there’s hope to prevent this in the first place. If you’d like to learn more information about it, you can go to DocumentingHope.com. Thanks, James.
James Maskell: Thanks very much. Bobby, do you see things arriving, good news on the horizon in all your travels when you’re talking about these kind of conversations? Is there good news to go with the historical poisoning of a generation?
Robert Kennedy Jr.: I think there is. I think the community that is resisting this, and that is demanding that CDC get cleaned up, and that we put children’s health first is growing, and it’s growing in power. One of the things that cause it to grow was triggered by the Disneyland measles outbreak which the pharmaceutical industry used to leverage a new California gold rush by trying to pass vaccine mandates in 36 states that would get rid of the mother, which is the last obstacle between the industry and these little children. They passed mandates that said you can’t put your kid in school, private school, or public school unless you get them fully vaccinated.
This outraged a lot of people. They organized, and those organizations now are in every state, they’re getting increasingly powerful. I think there’s networks like this, there’s networks like physicians, we’re building this, and I think … I can guarantee you we will win this battle. I don’t know when it’s going to happen, but it will happen. Hopefully it will happen soon.
James Maskell: I really do want to thank Bobby for just being on the cutting edge. It doesn’t take any effort to be on the other side of this battle, to play the other card. It does take a lot of integrity, and a real desire to be the change in the world, to have this career. A round of applause for Bobby and all the work that he’s doing. Please support the world Mercury Project. I think it’s an incredibly powerful voice. There’s a lot of other people right here, media sources, that are going to support this. This is how we’re going to win. I just want to say one last thing. On the bottom of my email for the last three days, for the last three years there’s a Bucky Fuller quote. Bucky Fuller says, “You don’t create change by fighting the existing reality, to create change you build a new system that makes the existing system obsolete.”
There is an opportunity right now, because medicine doesn’t really know how to deal with noncommunicable disease. The integrative medicine community does know how to deal with it, and is dealing with it. There is an opportunity for our community to join with environmental communities, and all the other communities that we know are on the same team, and build that new system that makes the existing system obsolete, and it’s going to be about keeping people well for the long-term. I know that there is a lot of people who care about that. Bobby is on the team, the Functional Forum’s on the team, the rest of these people are on the team. There’s a long way to go, but I agree with Bobby, we will win.
Robert Kennedy Jr.: I make one appeal to you, if you go to world Mercury Project website, and hopefully some of you will sign up as members. The reason that we need members is one of the tools, we’re going to use all the tools that Martin Luther King said are the tools of advocacy, agitation, legislation, education, and litigation. Well, we’re going to use a lot of litigation. In this state, for example, like seven other states, six other states, mercury vaccines were made illegal seven years ago.
It’s against the law to bring a mercury vaccine into New York State. When we wrote these bills, there was the industries that went to the legislator and said, “Well, just put a little loophole in there on the … If, just in case there’s a vaccine shortage, and the Commissioner of health at-t- declares vaccine shortage, um, we can, in that case, bring emergency thimerosal into the state.”
They let that in, and they let it in Missouri, and Delaware, and California. What happened? Every year the Commissioner declares a vaccine shortage, and the thimerosal is in the states in the same level as it always has been. We call the industry, and they say there is no shortage. We have plenty of vaccines. Plenty of non-thimerosal free vaccines. The Commissioner declares the emergency to make sure we get these vaccines in the state. I can explain to you why they do that, but let me tell you this, we’re going to sue them. We’re going to sue them in all these states. In order to do that, we need to show organizational standing. Which means we need to show that we have members who feel they’ve been injured by that violation of the law.
The ideal member would be a child up to age 3, or a pregnant woman who was offered a thimerosal vaccine, who went to a CVS, now can call an Uber, and they have both kinds, they have thimerosal and non-thimerosal. You order a vaccine, and we’ll bring it to you and give you the vaccine. The ideal plaintiff in these cases is a person who was either given a mercury vaccine in New York State over the past eight years, or was offered one. Even if they turned it down. Even if we don’t have them, anybody in the state who was offended by the sale of this in the state can join, and it’s important for us, because then we can claim organizational standing.
In order to do that under the law, you have to have some indicia other than just an email. One of the indicia is that you paid a membership fee. We have a $10 membership fee, and we may come to you at some point and say, “Will you sign an affidavit for this lawsuit?” It doesn’t mean you’re a plaintiff, people aren’t going to invade your privacy, your name isn’t going to appear in the paper. We’ll have 20 affidavits of different people, different situated who will all say the same thing in different ways, that I’m offended that the Commissioner is breaking the law and allowing these vaccines in. We’re a new organization, so we need to tell the judge we have several hundred members in the state, and they’re all pissed off about this. That legally could be the difference between winning and losing these lawsuits. Please, please go sign up at the site. If you decide you want to get a flu vaccine, call Uber, and if they bring you a mercury one, you will be the best plaintiff that we ever had. Don’t take the vaccine.
James Maskell: Thank you so much. Thank you, ABC, for hosting. Thank you everyone for being here. Thank you Bobby Kennedy. Follow a round of applause. Good night.